The never ending PayPal story|Die unendliche PayPal-Geschichte


There seems to be no end in sight for my problems with PayPal. Here's a quick summary of what happened so far:

  • First, I got told that some transactions were revoked – in case you don't care to read the original post, here's a very brief summary: You can make sure that a seller receives a notification from PayPal, telling him that he's received a payment. However, no money will EVER leave your bank account, so in other words: PayPal makes it extremely easy to pull off a huge scam.
  • Then, PayPal told me that 2 of the 3 transactions in question were actually fine (Blog Entry), so I at least got some of the money, that should have belonged to me in the first place, back.
  • Or so I thought… just now, PayPal changed their mind once more and revoked ALL transactions from the 2 affected eBay buyers. Yes, that includes the 2 that were fine just one week ago (naturally, I have to prove again that I actually sent out the articles. Although I already did so just one week ago).

To put things in a better perspective: I received some of those payments 7 weeks ago! That means if you receive money via PayPal, you have to fear for 7 – 10 weeks that the buyer might pull the described stunt and you will ultimately not receive a cent.

PayPal wants you to send them all sorts of bullshit

Further, PayPal's “seller protection” works this way: If this happens, the seller needs to pay PayPal the money that they “lost” (in fact, they didn't lose ANY money – all they did was telling me that I received money, however, they just pulled that back, so it's basically like I sent out the articles I sold on eBay for free). Additionally, PayPal freezes the account and asks the seller to send them all kinds of bullshit, e.g. a copy of my ID, as well as forces them to change it to a “business account”, so some more rules might apply and they will have an even easier time trying to rip me of my money.

I honestly don't know what to do, but I consider looking for legal support. I don't want to “bail out” PayPal for their inability to collect the money that they promised me. All I can do for you at the moment is recommending a Google search for “PayPal Scam” and read over some of those websites. I know it's hard to believe, but as my example proves, almost all of it is the sad truth…

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  1. #1 by Thomas on January 19, 2015 - 11:36

    Das ist ja ziemlich ärgerlich. Würde mich allerdings doch interessieren, was damals aus dieser ganzen Sache noch geworden ist.

  2. #3 by Sebastian /Bas on December 20, 2010 - 23:25

    Huhu!

    Yeah, paypal employees are stupid retards without any brain. Just google for more examples of your story, lives have been ruined by those bastards.
    They also shut down the money traffic for wikileaks.
    They are just pigs!!
    Oink oink!

    But remember: The pigs from today are the ham of tomorrow!!

  3. #4 by Oliver 'soulwarrior' Gehrmann on December 8, 2010 - 01:29

    /agreed. ^^

  4. #5 by Adam Povey on December 7, 2010 - 20:29

    Though I’ve never had a problem with Paypal, I know many that have. Basically, they’ve formed a law unto themselves, making arbitrary and inconsistent decisions in a range of disputes. They don’t seem to be interested in actually forming a firm set of rules and conditions as that would open them up to prosecution in a variety of international courts in such disputes.

    Basically, sorry mate, but for the time being eBay/Paypal seem to think sellers are more evil and assume they are at fault until proven otherwise. Next time we meet up, there should be much bitching and possibly the burning of an effigy.

  5. #6 by Oliver 'soulwarrior' Gehrmann on December 7, 2010 - 19:28

    In the worst case, PayPal will play the “we are different companies” card. Then it will go like this: Whatever happens on eBay, PayPal claims they have nothing to do with it and can’t accept it as “proof” of any kind.

    The fact that PayPal is an eBay company and that the two companies seemingly exchange data from users both ways all the time without ever asking you clearly for permission is a different story.

    Hope things will turn out well for you. I have lost almost all hope that I’ll not end up sitting on the money PayPal owes me.

  6. #7 by Petr Votapek on December 7, 2010 - 18:29

    I hear ya 🙁 Im having trouble with PayPal as well. A buyer is trying to scam me off my money, claiming the transaction was not done by him….yeah right. He left positive feedback though, so I hope that will be the winning argument for me. (They generally hate to accept shipping proof from Czech Post for some reason, which sucks big time…)

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